13 years ago. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. #12 Edited By Montaq. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. If Iron Man can. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. ForumsMe and a friend have been arguing over this for a long time,so we decided to make our own matches to see which of our favorites wins. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. 6 years ago deactivated. Followers. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. Round 1: CAS vs. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. LocatiNew Comics. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. " I agree for the most part,the way I see this. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. 801. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Perfect teamwork. And the LT he beat was undefined. The Beyonder is at full power and wants to destroy the universe, you can assemble a team of 10 cosmic beings from Marvel and DC to stop him, out of t. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Forum Posts. Wiki Points. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. lazerbeak. Follow 16064. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. Take the hill. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. 0. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Molecule Man. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. KingOfAsh. Living Tribunal. R4: Mr. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. Gokuisthebest. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. Wiki Points. , but, outside of those and omnipotent characters (like TOAA, The Creator), she beats pretty much anyone. . Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Followers. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. 5. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. Jul 30, 2018. Mxyzptlk. Omnipotence and omniscience. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Bo88gdan. 0. Minor nitpick. This topic is locked from further discussion. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. The Two fight in the beyond realm. I don't think Living Tribunal was there, neither was oblivion. Post-Retcon Beyonder, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man and Unbound Spectre. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. Follow 334. Michael Demiurge. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. elaine ftw. 9 years ago. No chance of being omnipotent. 1958325779 • 2 yr. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . This is a massive mismatch. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Lord Urizen. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. HOTU Thanos. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. He was a way wanked character. Still "omniverse" is a nonsense. I’m goin wit Batman. -5. Posts. PR beyonder. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. Battle has been done so many damn times. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. User. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. green_skaar. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. #1 KalKent1297. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. 4 years ago. Forum Posts. None of them have ever specifically resisted speed force speed stealing. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. Random encounter. She surpasses him in raw power by far. 2. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. PM not so much. Well, uh. She/Her. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. . I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. Reviews: 0. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. 0. Morals off. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space,. Wiki Points. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. 0. Well, uh. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. FollowHere's the deal. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. PR Beyonder. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Round 3: Both team up to take on Galactus and Eternity. Matezoide2. 4 years ago. This is the original seven and the battle takes place onWhat characters in the Marvel Universe could defeat Michael Demiurgos?Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. 313. level 2 · 1y. PR Beyonder - rendered 3 dimensional and was upset by it and confused by it once he left his Beyond realm and entered Marvels multiverse. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. Manhattan's league. -5. 8 years ago. When Thor had the Odin Force, all I had really seen him do. Wiki Points. No chance of being omnipotent. 5. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Followers. Especially. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Yes: PR beyonder, PR molecule man, toaa, toba, toba. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Doom. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. His isn't from another universe. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Wiki Points. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. PR Beyonder>PR MM>LT. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 13 votes, 12 comments. Living_Beyonder. Forum Posts. 0. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. The Beyonder's, on the other hand, aren't and that's what will give him the win. I’m goin wit Batman. 0. ago. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. . Silver Age Superman doesn't have universe+ feats which the Cosmic Cube Beyonder had and PR Beyonder was beyond multiverse+ level. Home Lists Doctor Manhattan Vs. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. 9 years ago. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. #1. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. @laflux said: MOM. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Based on physics, molecules, space and time. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Reviews: 4. @kingant27 said:. 13 years agoAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Follow 88. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. 13 years. There no need to insult. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Roshi in a heartbeat. unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. 2. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Both equally were sharing same body as explained in mutant x #32. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. Follow 10594. PR Beyonder stomps this team. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. Marvel (and DC for that matter) didn’t have anythin beyond Multiverses back then in their cosmology. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. Forum Posts. 9 years ago. Example: I have taken the hill and have the death star watIt can and has been argued that PR Beyonder exceeds TOAA in power, whereas the HotU apparently. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. . While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . Gen. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. vs. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Holo-Man • 3 yr. 15. u/nullfather can attest to that. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. . PR Beyonder was designated just under TOAA due to his Omnipotence in his own universe or something to that effect. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Van_Cere. dope matchup. I don't think Oblivion can be destroyed. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. Perfect teamwork. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. His. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. lannfear. they have quite the lineup. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. It would also destroy the. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. His will is law. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. master. 13 years ago. Manhattan are beings that. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Yet, is not responsible for creation. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". Forum Posts. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. . That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. The Crimson King. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. No. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. 1. is TOAA, or at least part of him. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Reply reply more replies. Reviews: 0. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Yes. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. @majestic99. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that he. MM solo's. This topic is locked from further discussion. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. Follow 6024. 05-03. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. A universe that is more powerful. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. A universe that is more powerful than the multiverse. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. . Gen. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. PR Beyonder over AM. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Forums. His will is law. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet.